Friday 25 January 2013

EU Debate; Let's Actually Have One

Politicians lied to get Britain into the EU, lied about it to win the '75 referendum to stay in ('it's about trade') and have avoided talking about it ever since. Now Cameron has had to open a can of worms, he will have hated to, but he had to talk about 'Europe'.

Consequently it was going to be interesting to watch at least some of Question Time, as obviously the BBC would be mobilising to fight against any suggestion that the EU was a bad thing.You notice some interesting tactics on the programme; a young lad was allowed to make some cogent points for a referendum and Dimmo just said 'OK that's interesting' or some such and moved onto someone else for a point. When someone said that we can't have a simple in/out referendum on an issue as complex as the EU, Dimmo asks the panel to comment.

The ruse of making a 'complex EU' an established fact and then allowing those disagreeing to try to find a way to argue against it is a common one of the Left. It was rather undermined when Hislop just said it wasn't that complex and people should be allowed to have a say. It is this of course, that all of the politicians are terrified of including Cameron, the public having a say.

As Tony Blair proved, when attempting to corrupt the electoral process to make Labour the only party able to win 'elections', the people will annoying vote against you. This is also a constant lament of EU politicians who have often criticised the need to allow the people a vote (on anything) and that it gets in the way of the progress of 'The Project'.

Stalin starved the Ukrainians for disagreeing with him, so I suppose we should consider ourselves lucky, or maybe they are just not strong enough yet!

Still, the 'complex' ploy hadn't worked in QT so bizarrely a woman in the audience asked the same question again and kept on chipping in to make sure it was addressed 'properly'. Of course, the EU is a complex beast as is a motor car, but when you go to the shops you do not decide you need to understand all the mechanical interactions necessary for the car to work.

And the same is true of the EU. There would be some paperwork, but when you want to leave, you leave. The complex issue is as true as the trade meme; the EU is only and has ever only been about creating a single political entity that they when pushed, will call the United States of Europe. But being modelled on totalitarian lines it is more a Soviet Union of Europe.

So the in/out vote is entirely acceptable to discern the will of the people. Cameron cannot 'renegotiate' and he knows it, so it is only a tactic itself. He would very much like to win the next election and he has broken the taboo of bringing up 'Europe' as he knows lots of people hate it. By promising a referendum after we have done him the favour of voting Conservative, he will probably decide it isn't necessary.

Or, by some narrow margin convince the gullible that he has got a fantastic new arrangement for us 'in Europe' and the vote will go his way. Then we find out he and his EU chums never had any intention of  implementing the 'agreements', just like last time. Dan Hannan has some nice points in his Telegraph blog today.

So bear in mind whenever you hear 'debate' about the EU that it is only intended to be a political union and if we stay in we will get sucked into it, with its single currency and all, it is inevitable as it was intended to be. Consider this, if Cameron seems to convince you to stay in; Germany pays the most in to EU coffers and seems to have always had a mighty big say. The UK is the second largest contributor and what influence would you say we have had? None?

In fact, as we have seen recently, the other EU politicians openly sneer and laugh at us (or at our politicians for allowing us a say) and continue to draw up plans to reduce us to a real vassal state. The Common Agricultural Policy? A French scheme to harvest the money of other Europeans to pay their inefficient farmers.

We should say two things to technocrats of the EU; 'No' and 'a pox on all your houses'.

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