I watched an emergency services programme last night, which I find often to be interesting for reasons our social workers, sorry police service didn't intend. Last night was a minor classic; it contained the central ethos of why UK policing is so bad.
This is the event; a shopping centre security guard calls the police as he has observed a shoplifter and is now following him 'at a safe distance'. The call taker confirms what he is telling them. A while later he calls again. The shoplifter is now in Asda and he can see, from outside that he is stealing bottles of spirits.
Again, the call taker is repeating what he is saying as confirmation. He asks if they have someone on the way. No, comes back the answer but they will send someone now and they should be with you 'within the hour'. The call handler then adds 'if you do detain him call again to update us'.
At this point, I would ask you to consider what you would expect to happen at this point. The police, who you not only are trying to rely on to act in support of maintaining law and order, but who in fact have spent many years telling the public to 'leave it to us', are not going to be there any time soon.
You are paid to safeguard the property of the stores and you are watching, for a second time shoplifting taking place, which is, let's be clear not an offence by name, but constitutes theft, which is covered by the Theft Act. A member of the public can detain an individual, but only the police can arrest. The Crown prosecute the crime.
It would seem that a reasonable person, abandoned by the police, but with a paid duty to prevent theft from shops, would intervene and seek to apprehend the shoplifter. The call handler acknowledged this was highly likely by making the comment about 'if you do detain him'.
As the shoplifter left Asda the security man approached him from behind and tried to detain him by putting his arms under the suspects arms to keep his hands away from his pockets (during interview he said he had seen the shoplifter had 'sharps' in his pocket).
They stumbled and fell over together, one of the bottles smashed and the shoplifter received lacerations to his stomach. The next emergency call was from the ambulance crew requesting police attendance as 'there is blood everywhere and we have the helicopter coming and everything'.
After significant intervention on the scene by the doctor and team, the man died. I think a normal, reasonable person would say that what happened was a tragedy, but an unforeseeable accident. Obviously, it needs to be investigated and the security chap interviewed and CCTV footage reviewed. Not quite what happened.
The security man was arrested for manslaughter and held in custody overnight. How many times have we heard of murder suspects absconding whilst on bail? Too often. Presumably, the police service, faced with a law-abiding member of the public felt emboldened to take strong action. He was clearly a flight risk and possibly a danger to the public. In their world.
Much better to have a quiet, compliant individual in custody than the nasty, violent types they have so often. The (older) sergeant who attended the scene, was seen shaking and near tears, but spoke to camera afterwards to say that the young lad (security) probably did the right thing, but 'did he think through the possible outcome - I don't think so.' What!!?
I guess, fully equipped with hindsight he is saying that, in the moments available to him to consider what to do next, the security chap should have done a full risk assessment, considered every possible scenario (including, I would hope that this might have only been the opening move to draw off security, for a gang of heavily armed master criminals to storm the store killing many people until Denzel Washington turns up), and only then acted.
Presumably, for this to work, he would also have had to have shown it to a third party and had it signed off, to prove it was in advance of events. There was one last excellent piece though; is two bottles of spirits worth someone's life? If you see someone steal a piece of meat, should you chase them, when this could happen?
Which fairly exactly misses the point of the reason the police exist. It is a tragedy that a man died, but that was not something anyone could have predicted (else, perhaps, the man might not have committed the theft) and it was based on choices that we all make.
I would also ask you to contrast the twisting and turning and the contortions of reason the police try when they 'kill' someone. No we do not see armed officers arrested and held in custody after shooting someone carrying a chair leg in a carrier bag. We get long and technical descriptions of why his actions seemed (quite correctly!) to the officers as those of an armed man about to 'engage them'.
Rather than the completely normal and to a reasonable person understandable, actions of a startled man with a chair leg in a carrier bag. Amongst all of the hand-wringing and angst over the death, no-one in uniform seemed to suggest that this would have been prevented if the police had attended when first called. Did they not consider the possible outcome of their inaction?
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Friday, 5 August 2011
Coppers
I hate the term 'Coppers' as I find it disrespectful, but perhaps I should admit it is probably a better description of the current lack of standards and discipline in our police. Last night for our televisual pleasure we had some interesting views of modern policing. Interestingly it was an 'old boy' who had something like a correct attitude to the job the public expect of him, as opposed to the revenue obsessed, social-worker oriented, lazy, dictatorial policeman that our current crop of useless Chief Constables prefer.
The 'Old Boy' was watching out for 'speeders' at the side of the A6. He explained he wasn't interested in those doing 5, 10 or maybe 15 mph above the speed limit, but those driving dangerously, likely to cause an accident. This was then proven as he and his colleague ignored a car going past at 88. The road wasn't busy and that is just someone driving a modern car, capable of such speed and not causing any problem. The guy registered at 116mph (and braking at the time) was clearly a different matter, he was driving fast for the sake of it and was pursued. He turned out to be a garage employee using a customer's car.
In a later programme we saw the other side. Police who, talking to camera seemed to have their heart in the right place, but otherwise not terribly sure about anything in particular ('is the Hulk the one on the sweetcorn tin?'). And a police officer who was very sure of his attitude, but not of a need for professionalism. He, quite correctly arrested an oik, bleeding heavily from the nose who was just making a nuisance of himself and swearing at the officer. However, we may have barely heard what he said but the street soon became aware as the officer bellowed it several times, to show his outrage. Had I been walking past with my wife, I would most certainly have expected someone repeatedly shouting obscenities to be removed from the streets, but he wasn't because 'he is the law'. The whole episode showed (apart from the fact that young people today have no respect for themselves, let alone anyone else and cannot drink to any level below excess), that police today cannot police sympathetically as they arrive with a sense of importance they don't deserve, nor is it any part of the role of police in British society. Though of course it does fit left-liberal social engineering and a state-led society.
(Footnote: the nature of policing in the UK is that the law is owned by the people and the police are citizens in uniform. In the state into which we are being taken -without being asked or it being explained- the state exists in itself and the people exist to serve the state. The key difference being that in the historic Britain everything is legal except that which we make illegal. In the French led EU, everything is illegal unless the state says it is legal. A very different balance of power, and why the arrogance of the police, now much more political, is on the rise.)
The 'Old Boy' was watching out for 'speeders' at the side of the A6. He explained he wasn't interested in those doing 5, 10 or maybe 15 mph above the speed limit, but those driving dangerously, likely to cause an accident. This was then proven as he and his colleague ignored a car going past at 88. The road wasn't busy and that is just someone driving a modern car, capable of such speed and not causing any problem. The guy registered at 116mph (and braking at the time) was clearly a different matter, he was driving fast for the sake of it and was pursued. He turned out to be a garage employee using a customer's car.
In a later programme we saw the other side. Police who, talking to camera seemed to have their heart in the right place, but otherwise not terribly sure about anything in particular ('is the Hulk the one on the sweetcorn tin?'). And a police officer who was very sure of his attitude, but not of a need for professionalism. He, quite correctly arrested an oik, bleeding heavily from the nose who was just making a nuisance of himself and swearing at the officer. However, we may have barely heard what he said but the street soon became aware as the officer bellowed it several times, to show his outrage. Had I been walking past with my wife, I would most certainly have expected someone repeatedly shouting obscenities to be removed from the streets, but he wasn't because 'he is the law'. The whole episode showed (apart from the fact that young people today have no respect for themselves, let alone anyone else and cannot drink to any level below excess), that police today cannot police sympathetically as they arrive with a sense of importance they don't deserve, nor is it any part of the role of police in British society. Though of course it does fit left-liberal social engineering and a state-led society.
(Footnote: the nature of policing in the UK is that the law is owned by the people and the police are citizens in uniform. In the state into which we are being taken -without being asked or it being explained- the state exists in itself and the people exist to serve the state. The key difference being that in the historic Britain everything is legal except that which we make illegal. In the French led EU, everything is illegal unless the state says it is legal. A very different balance of power, and why the arrogance of the police, now much more political, is on the rise.)
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